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LifeInfusion · Aug 30, 2005, 01:10 AM // 01:10

At this point, everyone knows that you only need one piece of knight's for the absorption.

Heck, let us assume even if there was absorption per piece. It will still suck. That -1 or 2 damage isnt as good as the energy from the gladiator's set plus the added physical protection. Platemail is better than knight's versus elemental, also. So basically knight's is a piece of trash.

If the game is meant to be balanced, why do knight armor users get shafted. I personally used knight armor in beta on my W/N and I remember in beta knight used to be 80+20, with reduce damage from attacks.

They should either do that (with the penalty being less energy than gladiator's set) or 90+10 vs physical or EVEN 80+15 vs. physical or something (which still sucks). Anything 95+ AL is decent versus physical, with 100AL being optimal considering gladiator has NO downside to it besides 5 less AL to elemental. (The other downside is that it looks like crap, IMO) It has the energy, it has the highest physical AL.

Currently, there is 80+10 vs. physical for knight's. If the helm is 80+20, why is the body 80+10??? It just doesn't make sense.

And all of this goes for the Ascalon set as well. I mean, they even have a 15K Ascalon set. I hardly ever seen anyone wear it, because the stats suck THAT bad. What a waste of time for the graphic designers if only like 1 in 500 people use it.

In beta, people complained of how bad gladiator's sucked because all it gave was 5 energy and 80AL. Knight and platemail both gave 80+20 in beta. Now it has gone haywire, with gladiator being the best stats. Dragon stayed the same, oddly enough (85AL +10 v. physical) with platemail the same as Dragon now.

That is all I have to say. (And substitute Knight's with Ascalon as necessary, it has the same stats)

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Aug 30, 2005, 01:15 AM // 01:15

All forms of "Damage Absorption" are locational, not 'Universal".

i.e:
If you put a Superior Absorption Rune to a Knights Chest Armor piece, you will get a -2-3 total -5 damage reduced when the hits landed on your chest.

derrtyboy69 · Aug 30, 2005, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

All forms of "Damage Absorption" are locational, not 'Universal".

i.e:
If you put a Superior Absorption Rune to a Knights Chest Armor piece, you will get a -2-3 total -5 damage reduced when the hits landed on your chest.

sigh. dmg reduction from those armor pieces apply to all of your armor, its been tested dont argue. but y complain just buy different armor, male knights armor is VER ugly, although the females is badass.

LifeInfusion · Aug 30, 2005, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by derrtyboy69

just buy different armor, male knights armor is VER ugly, although the females is badass.

First: you contradicted yourself. I know people that play female warriors with knight's.

Second: Why not fix it.

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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

All forms of "Damage Absorption" are locational, not 'Universal".

i.e:
If you put a Superior Absorption Rune to a Knights Chest Armor piece, you will get a -2-3 total -5 damage reduced when the hits landed on your chest.

You sir, are wrong. If you hit the chest, and the chest has gladiator's, you still get reduction from knight's boots/gloves. Where you put runes doesn't matter BTW.

EmperorTippy · Aug 30, 2005, 01:24 AM // 01:24

^^
correct.
A pair of Knights armor Boots with a superior absorbtion rune on them provide -5 UNIVERSAL Protection. This makes Knights Boots+the rest glads unquestionable the best set of armor in all but the smallest most specialized cases.

To slow. This is supposed to be commenting on the person above the person above me.

LifeInfusion · Aug 30, 2005, 01:25 AM // 01:25

Platemail is better vs. elemental. But it is stupid, because 5 AL isnt worth the loss of energy.

Then again, gladiator's doesnt cover your skin. I have to find a 15k set that looks half decent before I buy one for my warrior. And no fissure is not a good solution, because I hate how it is so dark, even if you dye it bright colors.

Nexx · Aug 30, 2005, 01:39 AM // 01:39

Why is the damage reduction universal? Doesn't it make more sense to have it be location based? I would understand, say if the damage reduction was on a shield (as the shield AL bonus is applied regardless of the hit location) but look at each of the armor pieces. Why does each piece need "Reduce Damage From Attack" when all you need is one?

If it was location based, then it would make a lot of sense for reduce damage to stack especially if one was to placed a rune of absorption on a key location like the chest armor. =]

Blkout · Aug 30, 2005, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by derrtyboy69

sigh. dmg reduction from those armor pieces apply to all of your armor, its been tested dont argue. but y complain just buy different armor, male knights armor is VER ugly, although the females is badass.

I disagree, and opinions are like a**holes, everyone's got one. I love the male Knight's armor, its the best looking in the game to me. I just wish Anet would fix it so that its not at a disadvantage to the other armors. As it stands the Gladiator armor is so far ahead of the other armors in stats that it doesn't matter, and sadly that's the worst looking for the armors.

sandman1 · Aug 30, 2005, 02:05 AM // 02:05

imho warrs will go from ringmail----> ascalon/knights(cheaper)--->platemail
in the span of his pve life since mobs will 90% be melee based and Absorb+AC is more important as a warr
glad armour is gonna be used more often in pvp since energy and ele resistance is much higher on glad armour and as a warr melee dmg will be the least of your worries

Age · Aug 30, 2005, 04:43 AM // 04:43

If I had my chioce with male platemail vs knights.I would go with knight to me it looks like you can't see over your should however if you were to mix the knights with with gadiator boots,guanlets and maybe helmet it would be a little better stat wise.This what I am doing with my female warrior and yes they rock in them.

Dzan · Aug 30, 2005, 05:50 AM // 05:50

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

At this point, everyone knows that you only need one piece of knight's for the absorption.

I wish everyone DID know that. YOu have about 10% of people who know that. Then you have 70% of people that wear Platemail anyway because they think they are bad ass warrior monks and platemail is the kewlest. Then you have 20% like the gentleman below you who thinks he knows what is right, but is sorrily mistaken.

As it stands right now, seeing a guy in PVP wearing full suit of Knights is the best indicator of noob status there is.

Bast · Aug 30, 2005, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by sandman1

imho warrs will go from ringmail----> ascalon/knights(cheaper)--->platemail
in the span of his pve life since mobs will 90% be melee based and Absorb+AC is more important as a warr
glad armour is gonna be used more often in pvp since energy and ele resistance is much higher on glad armour and as a warr melee dmg will be the least of your worries

You have no idea what you're talking about. Every single thing you've said is incorrect.

Gladiator's is used in PVP because it's the most efficient armor. You give up a little elemental defense for 5 or 6 energy and the highest physical defense possible.

Or you can keep using Platemail and remain subpar.

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On topic: The original poster has a point. Knight's is pretty lackluster. Even if Knight's got bumped to 80+20 with the damage reduction, I'd still use only one piece of it and Gladiator's for the rest. I'd never use Platemail. Platemail, lol.

Red Sonya · Aug 30, 2005, 08:02 AM // 08:02

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Originally Posted by sandman1

imho warrs will go from ringmail----> ascalon/knights(cheaper)--->platemail
in the span of his pve life since mobs will 90% be melee based and Absorb+AC is more important as a warr
glad armour is gonna be used more often in pvp since energy and ele resistance is much higher on glad armour and as a warr melee dmg will be the least of your worries

I disagree because of smite builds, you need at least 25 energy to be able to use Balthazar's Aura so you need at least two pieces of Gladiator (Chest/Legs) to get that 25 energy and still be able to use a shield. This is the best build of a warrior out there. Good if you are going to use some of the elemental spells as well that require 25 energy.

As far as the dmg reduction of Knights armor, I have to agree it suks if only one piece is required to get global reduction. I don't know who tested it, but, the manual itself says that it's for individual pieces not global. At any rate the -2 reduction still doesn't compare to the +10 extra AL from Gladiators vs the Knights imho. Against a player in Plate and/or Knights a Gladiator will always have the advantage in pure melee, only when magical attacks come in does Plate become just a tad bit better, but, we all know 5 points of AL isn't that great.

But, one has to believe there is a reason for Knights armor other than the one piece dmg reduction, it's pretty much a waste of an armor type if that is true about it. And we all know there's not enough armor types in the game already if we reduce it to Plate types/Gladiator types.

BTW I use Gladiator in both PVE and PVP and I solo quite well with it.

LifeInfusion · Aug 30, 2005, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by Bast

On topic: Even if Knight's got bumped to 80+20 with the damage reduction, I'd still use only one piece of it and Gladiator's for the rest. I'd never use Platemail. Platemail, lol.

Exactly. Platemail sucks on account of energy. Knight's/ascalon sucks on all accounts.

To everybody else that thinks Knight's is per piece absorption, you sleep under a rock or something.

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To the platemail people:

Another reason why Gladiator's is better is because what do you get hit with in PVE? physical or elemental?

Physical is Warriors and Rangers. Elemental is ONLY elementalists, and elementalists cannot do high damage without a longer recharge than a warrior or ranger. The majority of the time when you "tank" you are against physical. You cannot "tank" elemental.

The typical recharge for warrior and ranger attacks are 3-10 seconds. So that means in PVE you are more likely to be mowed down by physical.

Typical recharge for nonspam skills on an elementalist is 10-30 seconds. Then again stuff like flare doesn't get used, and it is not like it will hurt you so much more without 5AL. Considering the fact that nonrangers have only 60-70AL vs elemental, you are still better off anyway.
The most damaging skills in the elemental skilline to warriors are those that ignore/penetrate armor, usually (FOW Driftwoods, anyone?). Meteor shower and other AOE is taken out of the picture, you can walk out of that.

If you want to say PVP wise, the extra energy is too good to pass up.

Charcoal Ann · Aug 30, 2005, 01:51 PM // 13:51

i have discussed this and the result was: knights SHOULD be regional absorption. Arena Net say so many a time.
knights is easily the best looking armor for girls.
knights is weak.
i think that it has to be given an overhall. with either MORE (regional) dmg reduction or higher ac.

LifeInfusion · Aug 30, 2005, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by Charcoal Ann

i have discussed this and the result was: knights SHOULD be regional absorption. Arena Net say so many a time.
knights is easily the best looking armor for girls.
knights is weak.
i think that it has to be given an overhall. with either MORE (regional) dmg reduction or higher ac.

I believe 10AL is better than regional absorption of -2, on all accounts of monsters greater than level 20. All the major attacks will do more than the -2. Maybe it will reduce from the minor attacks like just wands/axe/sword/hammer/staves, but against actual skill-based attacks that add +__ damage, it isn't going to help.

Even with -2 regional, it would still suck. Because 10AL from gladiator's and +5 energy would still be better. That's why they should up the AL to be on par with gladiator's or platemail AND make regional absorption.

Blkout · Aug 30, 2005, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Dzan

I wish everyone DID know that. YOu have about 10% of people who know that. Then you have 70% of people that wear Platemail anyway because they think they are bad ass warrior monks and platemail is the kewlest. Then you have 20% like the gentleman below you who thinks he knows what is right, but is sorrily mistaken.

As it stands right now, seeing a guy in PVP wearing full suit of Knights is the best indicator of noob status there is.

Really? So you can't wear Knight's Armor just because you like the look of it? Interesting.

Dzan · Aug 30, 2005, 08:09 PM // 20:09

You can do whatever you want, but anything less than ideal is suboptimal. In PVE its not a big deal really, but there is no way a warrior wearing full knights will go into the Tombs with me.

Age · Aug 30, 2005, 09:54 PM // 21:54

What in off chance does AL stand for I might know this but just to clarify?thanks. The reason why I went with Knight for my PVE Warrior is becuase Platemail requires steel ignots and Knights doesn't and I am saving the steel for my Monk Censor and eventually Judges or Saintly but no FoW I am not getting Ecto.

I still like ringmail btw as well as collectors.

LifeInfusion · Aug 30, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Age

What in off chance does AL stand for I might know this but just to clarify?thanks.

Armor Level